Missouri was a slave state that did not secede from the Union. Exactly like Kentucky. Nitpick that. Also, west is not north. F
And since you also failed to actually read my original post, nowhere in that comment did I say that Kentucky was Southern. I just said that Missouri is just as Southern as Kentucky is.
I will give you credit for one thing though: Missouri is definitely not part of the Deep South (generally defined as those seven states that seceded before Fort Sumter). Maybe lupestripe got Missouri confused with Mississippi. I don't know.
Missouri is a border state. Maybe the border state. It also up until last year (barely) was the bellwether for political culture in the United States, having picked the President twenty-five out of twenty-six times since 1900. This is very impressive.
The major cities of Missouri (St. Louis and Kansas City) are decidedly Midwestern in culture and affiliation. However, Springfield has a strong claim to the title of "buckle" of the Bible belt, and part of Missouri did secede from the Union, making Neosho its capital.
When I said that Missouri is "just as southern as Kentucky is", I will admit that I was basing that statement on one and exactly one definition of being Southern -- that is, slave state vs. free state. Realistically, I would consider Missouri a Midwestern state, as most Missourians (like yourself) identify with the Midwest. To the contrary, most Kentuckians identify with the South, though Kentucky's largest metro area is Cincinnati.
--Bucktown Tiger, raised in eastern Arkansas, matriculated in northwest Arkansas, proud Central Arkansas Fur
I will also note that both Missouri and Kentucky were represented at last weekend's LAFF events. As was Arkansas, of course. But I'm not trying to say that Arkansas is Midwestern at all (though northwest Arkansas is more Midwestern than Southern IMHO)
Interesting insight into American history, don't know too much about it myself. I imagine Missouri is a borderline state geographically, although in Britain we tend to view it as the central US states and the west and eastern seaboard.
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Date: 2009-07-21 01:43 am (UTC)And since you also failed to actually read my original post, nowhere in that comment did I say that Kentucky was Southern. I just said that Missouri is just as Southern as Kentucky is.
I will give you credit for one thing though: Missouri is definitely not part of the Deep South (generally defined as those seven states that seceded before Fort Sumter). Maybe
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Date: 2009-07-21 01:56 am (UTC)Missouri is considered by some sources to be borderline South, as is referenced in this graphic from wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_map-The_South_Modern_.png
However, as defined my the US Census Bureau, Missouri is a part of the Midwest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest
I can understand your point of view, but I do not share it. Asking me to do so is asking me to unlearn 13 years' worth education.
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Date: 2009-07-21 02:18 am (UTC)The major cities of Missouri (St. Louis and Kansas City) are decidedly Midwestern in culture and affiliation. However, Springfield has a strong claim to the title of "buckle" of the Bible belt, and part of Missouri did secede from the Union, making Neosho its capital.
When I said that Missouri is "just as southern as Kentucky is", I will admit that I was basing that statement on one and exactly one definition of being Southern -- that is, slave state vs. free state. Realistically, I would consider Missouri a Midwestern state, as most Missourians (like yourself) identify with the Midwest. To the contrary, most Kentuckians identify with the South, though Kentucky's largest metro area is Cincinnati.
--Bucktown Tiger, raised in eastern Arkansas, matriculated in northwest Arkansas, proud Central Arkansas Fur
I will also note that both Missouri and Kentucky were represented at last weekend's LAFF events. As was Arkansas, of course. But I'm not trying to say that Arkansas is Midwestern at all (though northwest Arkansas is more Midwestern than Southern IMHO)
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Date: 2009-07-21 02:36 am (UTC)I understand where you're coming from now.
I'm glad this didn't degenerate into a drama fueled shitstorm, as misunderstandings and disagreements so often do.
*extends pawshake*
-Ozymandias Possum, whelped and residing in Southeast Missouri, isolated smalltown fur
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Date: 2009-07-21 02:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-21 03:11 am (UTC)Fenton's about an hour and ten minutes from me.
If I had money to spare I'd probably stop there on my next venture north.
As it is, no explosions. Pyromania denied.
-sad possum-
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Date: 2009-07-21 03:17 am (UTC)no subject
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